[Norseman]

Amy Beaver, the head of Maritime Professional Training in Fort Lauderdale wrote this helpful article. Many mariners that are on Y.F have indeed attended this school.

Yup, been there, done that, Class of June 2000.

and no, I don't expect the TWIC situation to change until enough people complain about it.

Hmm, not sure it will change at all regardless how many folks complain.

A direct result of 9/11 and even with Dick Cheney gone I am betting my balls TWIC is here for good...

[NYCAP123]

Hmm, not sure it will change at all regardless how many folks complain

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Does anybody remember the uproar when Bush floated the idea of a national ID card? It was dropped immediately. Then they slid it in the back door calling it TWIC. One thing I do know is that it will be with us like a tatoo on our arm if we DON'T complain.

[Marmot]

Originally Posted by NYCAP123

One thing I do know is that it will be with us like a tatoo on our arm if we DON'T complain.

It makes 1984 look pretty benign doesn't it?

Tattoos are a bit too close to what these people don't want to be called even if that is what they are becoming. My guess is that for the "protection and security" of children, babies will be implanted with RFID wires at birth. This will be for everyone's protection of course.

[Capt. Bill11]

Originally Posted by Marmot

It makes 1984 look pretty benign doesn't it?

Tattoos are a bit too close to what these people don't want to be called even if that is what they are becoming. My guess is that for the "protection and security" of children, babies will be implanted with RFID wires at birth. This will be for everyone's protection of course.

Ain't that the truth. It's always passed off as "for our protection".

To bad historicaly we always seem to end up needing protection from our protectors.

[NYCAP123]

Originally Posted by Capt. Bill11

Ain't that the truth. It's always passed off as "for our protection".

To bad historicaly we always seem to end up needing protection from our protectors.

And yet we still just go along like sheep and say "nothing can be done" without even trying.

[Norseman]

And yet we still just go along like sheep and say "nothing can be done" without even trying

Okay, I am listening, how are you going to get read of the TWIC cards?

***** about it on Yacht Forums?
Complain to TSA?
Write your Congressman?
Start a grassroot campaign?
Refuse to carry the TWIC?

Scratching my head here, but always willing to listen and to take the extra step to be free from the "Man".

Next step would be to get read of Passports, drivers licenses, SS#s, etc.
Watch out..

[NYCAP123]

yes
yes
yes
yes
not yet
Passports, driver's licenses, and SS#'s are needed. Another tax and another layer of bureaucracy are not. Nor is giving the government another way to track your movements.

[K1W1]

Hi,

As a Non US Citizen or resident I find the whole previous posts a bit mental.

I hold a STCW95 Compliant UK Merchant Navy Chief Engineers Cert, Last issued in March 2007, I have never been asked for anything to do with TWIC, I currently do not serve aboard as Chief but do spend time on vessels in US Ports amongst others. I have never been asked for more then my CoC, Discharge Book and or Passport when coming and going from the vessel.

[Norseman]

I have never been asked for more then my CoC, Discharge Book and or Passport when coming and going from the vessel.

You wait and see.

Nor is giving the government another way to track your movements.

Yawn...Who cares if they track yer movements...?
Unless ya are feeling guilty from transporting drugs or visiting gay-bars you should not fear a thing..?

Seriously, I have no idea where this paranoia of being tracked comes from or why, but if Uncle Sam and his FBI Cousin wants to track my movements, I would find it rather amusing and not the least bit treatening.

(Heck, they do it anyway: My name is all over the system, so is the name of my boat: Crossing the Gulfstream I usually have some low-level helicopter or turbine fixed-wing come in low from behind to read the name and hailing port of the stern. I wave instead of giving finger...Who cares.?)

In additon to TWIC I am part of thr "Global Entry" system and the "Local Boaters Program" and other Government programs such as FAA pilot and USCG Merchant Mariner licensing and FCC Radio tickets, air and marine, etc.
Also "secret" clearences from flying Mil stuff during Gulf War # 1..All good, nothing negative..Don't see how they can screw with an honest guy..?


"Just Because You Are Not Paranoid Does Not Mean Somebody Is Not Out To Get You"

[NYCAP123]

Originally Posted by K1W1

Hi,

As a Non US Citizen or resident I find the whole previous posts a bit mental.

I hold a STCW95 Compliant UK Merchant Navy Chief Engineers Cert, Last issued in March 2007, I have never been asked for anything to do with TWIC, I currently do not serve aboard as Chief but do spend time on vessels in US Ports amongst others. I have never been asked for more then my CoC, Discharge Book and or Passport when coming and going from the vessel.

It's only for US Mariners.

I would find it rather amusing and not the least bit treatening.

"In Germany they first came for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.

Then they came for me —
and by that time no one was left to speak up."
It will remain "amusing" until it's your group that is called and your affiliations can be determined through a national ID card. Carrying one was mandatory in Germany before WWII.

[K1W1]

Originally Posted by Norseman

"Just Because You Are Not Paranoid Does Not Mean Somebody Is Not Out To Get You"

Hi,

Ain't a truer word ever been said in jest?

[K1W1]

Originally Posted by NYCAP123

.............can be determined through a national ID card. Carrying one was mandatory in Germany before WWII.

Hi,

I think it still is.

[Norseman]

It will remain "amusing" until it's your group that is called and your affiliations can be determined through a national ID card. Carrying one was mandatory in Germany before WWII.
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50 or 100 years ago, that would indeed be a problem if your "affiliations" was not a good thing and you was a Jew in Germany, France, Netherland, Belgium, and a few other countries in central and northern Europe.

These days I would be looking forward to a National ID card, no problem being a Jew, Arab or Gypsy unless you are driving drunk and/or flipping the bird to a State Trooper..(Not a good idea.. )

Makes life much easier for the honest guys.
Un-documented Alliens may have a problem however, so would Al-Quaida and them towel-heads. but not an honest Yacht Captain paying his taxes and staying within the frame of the law.

[NYCAP123]

During WWII Japanese Americans were confined and after 9/11 the same could have happened to Arab Americans. Some still call them towel-heads. It's not hard to imagine it being the Irish or even yacht captains being deemed a threat. Heck, it could even be Norwegians. Individuality and freedom and privacy are sacred rights. Beyond that though you're charged $135 for nothing.

[Norseman]

Some still call them towel-heads.

Reserved for terrorists, no respect for that camp..

During WWII Japanese Americans were confined and after 9/11 the same could have happened to Arab Americans

Not possible these days with politcal correctness being king.

As for freedom and privacy, all good in a perfect world without Bin-Laden and his band of reg-heads out to cause harm..

Do you remember 9/11?