New guy - 58' Hatteras questions

nomadidadian · 10-16-2005, 02:21 AM

Just now starting to look for a first boat to purchase and liveaboard in Trinidad where I'll be working for the next 6 years or so. Lease on flat/apt is up in Nov-06, so plenty of time to shop, research, plan...but undoubtedly will be looking hard at the 58 Hatt's out there. And FYI...I WILL be shopping for the best boat as opposed to the best price...thanks for sharing your wisdom.

Carl Guzman · 08-22-2006, 09:37 PM

I Think You Made A Good Choice, You'll Find Alot Of Good Stuff Here

But Lots Of People Referbishing Will Wall Paper The Interior So Look For As Much Original As You Can.

cfamsden · 07-02-2007, 02:15 AM

I'm new here, and looking to get a boat that I can fish on while keeping my wife happy with some room to get away from me while I fish. If needed. Is the 58' yachtfish pretty stable at troll speed, while in some trough of swell or chop? It looks pretty top heavy. Is the hull going to be any faster with bigger engines? Or is the hull just a prohibitive factor? And at 12 knots, what does it burn, per mile or per hour? I hear the turbos are not a positive in the long run. Can you take them off and use the Detroits without them? I guess the 1978 has solid fiberglass for the hull and it is cored above, right? So is it a noisy boat? It sure is a good looking boat, probably the most beautiful yacht I've seen recently, though only in the pictures. Anyone have a picky wife that can stand to be on one for 6 hours while they fish? I can't afford a modern socially designed sportsfisher, so maybe this is the ticket. A salesman told me that Bertrams are more stable running fast, but the Hatteras' are more stable while idle or at troll. Any comments on that? I wouldn't know myself, but I want to know what to buy.

thanks, Chris Amsden in SoCal

yachtbrokerguy · 07-02-2007, 03:09 PM

Chris,
I was captain on a 58 YF back in the early 80's, and ran the boat from New England to Florida. I have been on a few hundred boats since then, I do not remember my fuel burn. I did cruise around 16-18 knots and the boat ran better if the aft fuel tank was used up first.
Offshore, she rolled in a beam sea, it was OK for me, uncomfortable for landlubbers. In a head sea or on the port or starboard bow, there was a lot of spray, some of these boats have added spray rails, that will help.
I would not take the turbos off, that extra speed might come in handy. If you do decide to go that route find someone who really knows if you should change injector size. I can not imagine it would be cost effective to put larger engines in the boat.
The captains around here say, "fish a Hatteras, deliver a Bertram." The deep V of the Bertram will run better in rough water, but will roll more at trolling speeds. The flatter bottom of the Hatt keeps it more stable a slower speeds. If you can find one with stabilizers, they are worth the extra money.

Good luck with your search.

Tucker Fallon

cfamsden · 07-02-2007, 03:37 PM

So, Tucker, thanks for the details.

How about this Yachfish boat vs. a 50 Hatt Sportsfisher. Is it slower because of less power or more weight, or because of a different hull? And will it roll a lot more since the MY/cockpit combo is more top heavy?

How about a comparison to a new 56 Carver Pilothouse, a lot lighter and easier on the fuel. If I added stabilzation to that, would you still rather spend hours out trolling in the Hatt Yachtfish or a Hatt Sportsfisherman for safety concerns? I guess even with the stabilization, theoretically the Carver could broach more easily, if things got bad. And it may not hold up as well.

thanks again, Chris Amsden

yachtbrokerguy · 07-02-2007, 04:10 PM

It is pretty hard to compare an older Hatteras with a newer Carver. The Hatt motoryachts, I think of as gracious older ladies. The newer Carver is going to have new systems with new designs and new parts, but I can not say if those parts are better quality.
Tomorrow I will be out of the office to pick up a 2003 57' Carver in West Palm Beach, FL and bring it to Fort Lauderdale. It is a new listing and I told the owner I would move the boat for him. It will give me a chance to run the boat for most of a day, 40 miles in the ocean, and also some miles on the ICW and the river here. I moved another 56 Carver from Fort Lauderdale to Jacksonville last year, conditions were very easy for that trip, the boat was comfortable.

I would rather be out in any boat that has stabilizers than one without. I have gotten spoiled by them!!!

"theoretically the Carver could broach more easily," I think speed and power and the knowledge of the skipper or captain makes a broach less likely. I have been looking at the boating news for many years, and incidents of broaching in modern motoryachts, Carvers or Hatteras, is very rare. In the old days of low power single screw boats a broach was more likely.

Tucker Fallon

georgew · 12-29-2007, 04:28 PM

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Tomorrow I will be out of the office to pick up a 2003 57' Carver in West Palm Beach, FL and bring it to Fort Lauderdale. It is a new listing and I told the owner I would move the boat for him. It will give me a chance to run the boat for most of a day, 40 miles in the ocean, and also some miles on the ICW and the river here.

Hi Tucker-

Do you have a follow-up on the sea kindliness and quality of the Carver 57?
The lower priced Carvers attract a lot of people that prefer newer boats, instead of never ending projects.

I enjoy your many excellent comments in the Forum.
Thanks, George

yachtbrokerguy · 12-31-2007, 10:19 AM

The 57 Carver that I moved last July is sold. I did a couple of sea trials for survey, but it was fairly calm both days. Last fall I moved a 53 Carver from Pickwick Lake TN, down the Tennessee River, to the Ohio River, then up the Mississippi River to St Louis, MO. Although it was 500 miles, the biggest waves we ran accross were the wakes of some pushboats!

If I was to do a delivery of a 53 or 57 Carver from Fort Lauderdale to Nassau or New York, or a 53 or 58 Hatteras to do the same trip, I would not hesitate with either. You have to pay attention to the weather and move on the ocean when conditions are right, not on your arbitrary scedule. Having had my captain's license for 34 years, I am "chicken of the sea", I want my yachting to be comfortable and pleasant.

The main advantage of the Carver is for the same money, all of the systems will be newer, and newer means less maintanence. The Hatteras will be heavier built, have stronger hardware, and be more likely to damage the dock in a landing mishap than being damaged.

I suggest that you go on board different boats and get the feel, the ambiance of the boat. Walk up the dock and look at it and then go on board and see which boats make you say " I like this, I can feel good about owning this boat." Somestimes I say that really I just run a dating service for prospective boat buyers, you need to fall in love with the boat.

Freebird · 04-03-2008, 04:58 PM

I just signed up on this forum today, but for the record, Mario found a very nice 58YF, and Carl Guzman recently sold his 67CPMY.

I met Mario and his family at the CDR year before last, and Carl Guzman is a very good friend who I've done quite a bit of boating with. I'll have to ask him why he never told me about this place.

mariog · 04-03-2008, 10:25 PM

Hi Freebird!!!

Freebird · 04-04-2008, 01:30 PM

Hi yourself!

I was thinking you picked these boys' pockets and never came back. Maybe I missed it, but I never saw any of the HOF crowd mention this place even though I see several familiar faces here.

Sorry you couldn't make the party in Miami as I was looking forward to taking a dump on your new boat. Maybe next year.