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Old 01-19-2008, 01:26 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Firearms onboard a yacht?

Lets say you have a boat 70+ feet based in FL, you plan on bouncing around the Bahamas and other ports within a reasonable range. What if any firearms are legal/recommended? I have been told you do NOT travel out of site of land unarmed. Is there truth to this? What are the legalities involved? I am not talking a cruse missile or 50 cal mounted to the deck but more along the lines of hand guns or AR15. Your thoughts all knowing gurus?
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Old 01-19-2008, 11:37 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Rule #1: Don't even think about going into Mexico or Mexican waters with firearms or ammunition. It can cost you your boat. There are ways around this, but none are 100% guaranteed.

Am not sure about the laws in other countries, but I would definitely contact their embassies/consulates prior to traveling there, just to be sure. Even then, I'd take their advice with a grain of salt, as they probably won't be held liable for bad advice. If you get the OK for firearms, I'd consider a stainless steel pump or semiauto shotgun, loaded alternately with shot and slugs. Makes a big mess of FRP and wood hulls, and can scare the hell out of the bad guys.

Alternatively, if you can't have firearms, and there's a chance you'll be boarded, a loaded speargun or 3 can be quite intimidating, and is legal everywhere
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Old 01-19-2008, 11:59 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Hi,

clnewman- I agree with your advice about the pump gun but have to say that your statement about the spear guns is mis leading.

There are places where it is illegal to have spearguns onboard at all.

Here is one of my favourites

http://www.militaryfactory.com/small...allarms_id=109

This is another one, unfortunately I have never seen a stainless steel one of these.

http://www.impactguns.com/store/SS-96929.html

And looking here you can get one delivered through your letter box too.......

http://personalsecurityzone.com/Shotgun_for_defense.htm
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Old 01-19-2008, 12:23 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Places like the Bahamas I believe you are suppose to check in all weapons upon arival.
Then if you don't and you defend yourself in a bad situation you are still in another bad situation.
I read a story once about a yacht being broke down waiting for repairs in a bad place out in Asia some where. There were no weapons aloud at that place and only the criminals had weapons. They hired security guards to protect the vessel while waiting but they were also not aloud to carry fire arms. The captain ordered some toy water guns that looked like real machine guns from a distance for the security guards to carry while on duty. The captain wrote that it worked very well in deterring unwanted guess and visitors....
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Old 01-19-2008, 01:46 PM   #5 (permalink)
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what about going out a few miles just fishing or hanging out in international waters? Is it a good idea or pretty safe? The way this world is now I am thinking it is better safe then sorry.. are there still pirates around? it is not like you can outrun them
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Old 01-19-2008, 02:09 PM   #6 (permalink)
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i have sailed into the Bahamas with firearms onboard. not my weapon & not my boat. it had to be checked in, but so did all amunition. the idea is that you have to leave with the same amount of bullets as you entered to show you didnt discharge any. was a pain because the captain i was with had a few cases of rounds.

on another note, was recently contacted my a uscg helicopter on my way to sint maarten to advise that we were 40miles off the coast of haiti and we were within 'pirate' range. didnt have any firearms onboard, but if travelling that are i definetly would.
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Old 01-19-2008, 08:51 PM   #7 (permalink)
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In todays society of electronic banking, credit cards, easy cash money access at ports of call, there really isn't much need for cash on board. Most yachts I have traveled with have carried maybe 10 thousand at most for a given time that wasn't very long, so really just a few thousand dollars at any given time. Jumping on a yacht traveling offshore is not going to be easy and will be very dangerous, and then you might only find a couple thousand dollars to split between how ever many pirates involved? Plus all the fuel spent, maintenance and this and that for there vessels, at the end of the night they come home with a few hundred dollars apiece? Not good buisness for such high risk....
Small sailboats in anchorages are probably at most risk for petty priate theft. Not the ocean traveling yachts...
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There are places where it is illegal to have spearguns onboard at all.
My bad re: the speargun comment. The context I meant to put it in is if you've weapons aboard, and are putting into a port of call, most places will permit you to "check" the weapons during the clearing in process if said weapons are illegal in that domicile.

However, in a place such as Mexico, where firearms and ammo are illegal in all forms (i.e., you can't even bring them into the country, let alone check them with local authorities), the speargun route works when sitting on the hook overnight. Please correct me if anybody has found that you can now check firearms/ammo in a Mexican port, and still get them back in good working order (and without having your boat confiscated) upon departure.

There have been recent reports of banditos boarding boats anchored in Mag Bay in the middle of the night. This is no bueno, and a perfect scenario for the speargun method.

Lastly, I've a question for the owners of larger vessels: Since it's illegal to take more than US $10k cash out of the country, how do you take on large volumes of fuel in those remote areas that don't take plastic?
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Old 01-20-2008, 10:17 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Hi,

The large boats make arrangements through Bunker Agents just like commercial ships do.
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Hard to find but can handle regular 12 gauge ammo, don't have one anymore but I have aquired them for boat where the owner really wanted a firearms onboard.

http://www.inert-ord.net/bts02h/very/vfp1.html
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Although we've had lengthy discussions about the pros & cons of weapons onboard a yacht... Pirates and Other High Seas Encounters... I'll use the current thread as a segway into an interesting link I just received. Check out this flashlight...

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Before Nuvolari-Lenard updated their site there had been a rendering of a proposed PJ's 120 for the coast guard, complete with gun turret mounted on the foredeck. It was a pretty imposing sight!
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Old 02-27-2008, 10:21 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Aside from good suggestions such as stainless steel weapons and spear guns, flare guns may be better than nothing. Handy spotlights for blinding the bandito can maybe buy precious seconds.

I recommend a secure hidden gun locker, retrofit if necessary. When entering harbors where weapons need to be declared, give them your Kmart 22 pistol; the Uzi and sawed-off shotgun remain in the hidden gun locker (one manufacturer I know builds it in behind a bunk of drawers; with a particular motion, the top of the dresser slides and the guns are vertically stowed.

A suggestion I often recommend to clients is to have a safe in a rather conspicuous location. Put a ring and earrings with cubics and a few $100 bills. Have a very hidden safe to use for the real goodies.

Most importantly, let all crew/guests know if there are loaded guns aboard and only touch a gun if their intention is to kill. And go to your local gun range frequently, stay in practice, and clean weapons regularly.

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