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04-29-2008, 08:46 PM
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#76 | | Registered User
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Has anyone visited the glaciers in the alps over the past ten years or do? I suppose not because the virtual dissapearance of these glaciers would at least have you wondering.
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04-30-2008, 04:27 AM
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#77 | | Registered User
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| So answer seems to be no
No one can say: my local beach's water level appears higher on average ?
PS: I do believe the global warming thing, the glaciers melting and so on. Just wanted to hear from someone who can say they have seen it personally.
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04-30-2008, 08:08 AM
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#78 | | YF Moderator
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Where I live in Stockholm, the land is still rising after the last ice age. Last weekend I was walking on land where I used to windsurf when I was young. Many boat houses are dry and can no longer be used, so in our area some would like to see more water, but of course it will mean disaster to other parts of the world.
There are over 100.000 glaciers remaining in the world but the glacier melting alone will not rise the sea level too much as 96 percent of all ice is in the Antarctica and on Greenland. The major problem with melting glaciers is that there will be a local shortage of drinking water in the warm season.
There are also glaciers that are growing, like in Antarctica, du to intense snowfall. Some people say this is because of anthropogenic global warming.
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04-30-2008, 08:53 AM
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I live in eastern part of Denmark - Right next to Sweden. 30-40 years ago my parents told me that the few kilometres of water between Denmark and Sweden were often frozen enough for one to actually walk and drive on the ice over to sweden..
This winther we didnt have snow for more than 1-2 days at a time. There is new warmth records every single year.
I dont know if its the global warming or something else. - But its definitely getting hotter!!
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04-30-2008, 09:06 AM
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I got this graph today, not yet including the last seven years. It shows that in Sweden we have had fluctuations but not a dramatic warming trend during the same period CO2 in the atmosphere is said to have doubled.
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04-30-2008, 09:06 AM
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For us older folk, isn't it nice to have lived when we did. We'll probably get out of this world with a few pennies left in our pockets; and not have to wear survival gear for trips to the store. To our grandkids, great-grandkids and cockroaches (who will probably be ruling the world by then) sorry about that, but we did have fun.
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04-30-2008, 09:42 AM
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Swing has a good question regarding personal knowledge of anyone's local sea level rising.
In poking around doing some unrelated research, I came across some interesting and perhaps thought-provoking items.
The Alaskan quake of 1964 resulted in upheavals of land due to the plate tectonics at work in that region: a net local drop in sea level.
In recent years, someone determined that the New Orleans area was actually sinking (not being washed away) relative to some datum: a net local rise in sea level. This is occurring in Venice as well?
Is there anything in all the literature that mentions these in the same breath as Glob*l Warm*ng? Is it even a factor?
Local observation from South Florida: we are not part of any active plate movement, as best I know, and the humongous Miami Oolite limestone foundation that this part of the peninsula sits atop, would not have the land going either up or down (relative to sea level). During the last fifty years, from the vantage point--up close & personal--of many small craft, I cannot say that our sea levels have changed (the boat can still get caught under the dock at very low tide).
BTW, is the shrinking of the Martian polar icecap related to Rover emissions?
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04-30-2008, 10:24 AM
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#83 | | YF Moderator
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| Quote: | Originally Posted by LifeForBoats This winter we didnt have snow for more than 1-2 days at a time. There is new warmth records every single year.
I dont know if its the global warming or something else. - But its definitely getting hotter!! |
That could also be regional.
Here in Canada (Quebec specifically) we didn't have any significant snowfall during the 06-07 winter until mid January. This year, we set an all-time record for most recorded snowfall. Parts of western Canada are still getting snow this week. Around Montreal we actually ran out of room to put the snow removed from the city streets... the city had to ship it off-island in trucks.
April has been pretty nice for us this year... as it should be. Over the weekend I was out and about in shorts & a t-shirt. This morning though, it was -1C when I left the house.
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05-01-2008, 05:17 AM
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#84 | | YF Moderator
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| Quote: | Originally Posted by AMG The Global Warming has described a flat curve for a decade now and will probably remain so for as long as La Nina is going on. Then we have another five years before we can say if the previous warming will continue or decline. |
Since I posted this prediction which many scientist has had as a timeframe, new research will postpone the global warming up to a decade: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...climate130.xml (With a lot of comments to read as well...)
Today BBC had a similar report, with the usual reservations... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7376301.stm |
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05-01-2008, 11:47 AM
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less of "wikipedia" as a reliable source please!
wikipedia is almost as accurate as a "man in a pub said to me" reference, sounds good when you hear it, but when you delve deeper and check real sources most content has no worth
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05-01-2008, 11:56 AM
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05-02-2008, 09:28 AM
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#87 | | Registered User
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| Global Warming? Myth or Liberal Fantasy
Can anyone explain to me how purchasing carbon credits will help to reduce the recession of the polar ice cap... on MARS?
That's right folks, the polar ice cap on Mars has been in recession for as long as earthings have been viewing same.
Therefore, shouldn't the effect be called Solar System Warming?
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05-02-2008, 10:18 AM
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#88 | | Senior Member
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Interesting point aeronautic1
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05-02-2008, 10:59 AM
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Aeronautic1
You almost yanked my leg out of it's socket with that one.
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05-02-2008, 11:58 AM
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I was reading this article from the UN, and wondering what do the deniers know that the World’s scientists and Leaders do not:
Finding this puzzling, I referred to my life guide manual of “do’s and don’ts”.
Interesting enough;
#12 states, no matter what you type into your search engine, you will get countless opinions on any subject (for or against).
#36 states, never take Scientific advice from a Boat Builder.
#86 states, never take Stock tips from a Taxi driver
#21 states, milk is good for your bones
______________________________________ The Future in our Hands: Addressing the Leadership Challenge of Climate Change
UN Headquarters, New York, 24 September 2007 Chair's summary
At the conclusion of the high-level event, Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon presented a summary of the day's deliberations:
I am extremely encouraged by the fact that climate change was so directly and constructively discussed at the highest level for the first time in history. This Event has taken us into a new era. Today I heard a clear call from world leaders for a breakthrough on climate change in Bali. And I now believe we have a major political commitment to achieving that.
The science, the impacts and the need for swift action
I heard the world’s leaders confirm that climate change is indeed happening and is largely caused by human activity. The accounts offered by leaders of the most vulnerable nations, especially Small Island Developing States, were particularly telling. They brought home loud and clear the message that economic and social development cannot be sustainable unless we deal decisively with this issue.
Action is possible now and it makes economic sense. The cost of inaction will far outweigh the cost of early action.
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