[AMG]

Originally Posted by brian eiland

Where does this fit in climatic change?

I guess it fit´s in with asking for research funding. Last time he said the same thing was two years ago when refering to the IPCC report. When the ice was at a minimum in sept 07, many said that the summer ice at the North Pole would be gone already in summer 08. It wasn´t.

[OutMyWindow]

May I suggest that YachtForums sponsor a circumnavigation Expedition through the NWP, with Lars at the helm.
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In 2000, the Canadian 32 m (100 ft) twin-hulled patrol boat Nadon (renamed St Roch II) ran the Northwest Passage from west to east in nine weeks and was never obstructed by ice. On the way it docked at Tuktoyaktuk in the Canadian Arctic and Nuuk in Greenland. This added to the alarm about global warming.[28][29]

On September 1, 2001, Northabout, an 14.3 m (47 ft) aluminium sailboat with diesel engine,[30] built and captained by Jarlath Cunnane, completed the Northwest Passage east-to-west from Ireland to the Bering Strait. The voyage from the Atlantic to the Pacific was completed in 24 days. The Northabout then cruised in Canada for two years before it returned to Ireland in 2005 via the Northeast Passage thereby completing the first east-to-west circumnavigation of the pole by a single sailboat. The Northeast Passage return along the coast of Russia was slower, starting in 2004, with an ice stop and winter over in Khatanga, Siberia — hence the return to Ireland via the Norwegian coast in October 2005. On January 18, 2006, the Cruising Club of America awarded Jarlath Cunnane their Blue Water Medal, an award for "meritorious seamanship and adventure upon the sea displayed by amateur sailors of all nationalities."

On July 18, 2003, a father and son team, Richard and Andrew Wood, with Zoe Birchenough, sailed the yacht Norwegian Blue into the Bering Strait. Two months later she sailed into the Davis Strait to become the first British yacht to transit the Northwest Passage from west to east. She also became the only British vessel to complete the Northwest Passage in one season, as well as the only British sailing yacht to return from there to British waters.[31]

On May 19, 2007, a French sailor, Sébastien Roubinet, and one other crew member left Anchorage, Alaska, in Babouche, a 7.5 m (25 ft) ice catamaran designed to sail on water and slide over ice. The goal was to navigate west to east through the Northwest Passage by sail only. Following a journey of more than 7,200 km (4,474 mi), Roubinet reached Greenland on September 9, 2007, thereby completing the first Northwest Passage voyage made without engine in one season.[32]

On November 28, 2008, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation reported that the Canadian Coast Guard confirmed the first commercial ship sailed through the Northwest Passage. In September 2008, the MV Camilla Desgagnés, owned by Desgagnés Transarctik Inc. and, along with the Arctic Cooperative, is part of Nunavut Sealift and Supply Incorporated (NSSI),[52] transported cargo from Montreal to the hamlets of Cambridge Bay, Kugluktuk, Gjoa Haven and Taloyoak. A member of the crew is reported to have claimed that "there was no ice whatsoever". Shipping from the east is to resume in the fall of 2009.[53] Although sealift is an annual feature of the Canadian Arctic this is the first time that the western communities have been serviced from the east.

[AMG]

Originally Posted by OutMyWindow

May I suggest that YachtForums sponsor a circumnavigation Expedition through the NWP, with Lars at the helm.

Why not, my ancestors (the Vikings) was doing it when the global warming made it possible a thousand years ago....

[OutMyWindow]

Originally Posted by AMG

Why not, my ancestors (the Vikings) was doing it when the global warming made it possible a thousand years ago....

That is true, they were the original discoverers of North America.
But that was prior to Global Freezing, as archaeologists are still discovering wall paintings and unearthing statuettes of early Vikings sporting grass skirts and what looks like early Tommy Bahama outerwear.

[NYCAP123]

Originally Posted by OutMyWindow

That is true, they were the original discoverers of North America.
But that was prior to Global Freezing, as archaeologists are still discovering wall paintings and unearthing statuettes of early Vikings sporting grass skirts and what looks like early Tommy Bahama outerwear.

Lief Erickson in a grass skirt. Hmmmm. BTW, why does everyone seem to forget about the folk that came from the west becoming what we now call "Native Americans". How exactly do you "discover" a continent that is already populated?

[OutMyWindow]

Originally Posted by NYCAP123

How exactly do you "discover" a continent that is already populated?

Discovering just means that WE haven’t seen it before.

I should have added a bunch of to post #169

[NYCAP123]

Originally Posted by OutMyWindow

Discovering just means that WE haven’t seen it before.

I should have added a bunch of to post #169

"original discoverers"? I'll add them. And I'm just Irish

[AMG]

Originally Posted by OutMyWindow

Discovering just means that WE haven’t seen it before.

I should have added a bunch of to post #169

Watch out, we may come back if it is getting warmer again..!

http://www.american.edu/ted/ice/vineland.htm

[buffalohunter]

First let me say in my personal opinion GLOBAL WARMING is the greatest hoax ever perpetuated on mankind.

Secondly, how can anybody tell me that GLOBAL WARMING should be taken seriously if Al Gore supports it. He would say the sky is falling if he could make money doing it. JMHO

[NYCAP123]

Originally Posted by buffalohunter

First let me say in my personal opinion GLOBAL WARMING is the greatest hoax ever perpetuated on mankind.

Secondly, how can anybody tell me that GLOBAL WARMING should be taken seriously if Al Gore supports it. He would say the sky is falling if he could make money doing it. JMHO

There is certainly debate over the causes of global warming and it's eventual effects, but there can be no debate of the fact that it's happening or it's short term effects. All you need do is visit Glacier Bay, Ak or Greenland or check the polar ice caps. The ice is receeding rapidly. Whether the cause is manmade, natural, cyclical, temporary or permanent will no doubt be debated well into the next generation. Whether it's bad or just natural change is open to debate as well. So I ask myself 'What's the downside of not fouling the atmosphere?'.

[DocRon]

Originally Posted by buffalohunter

First let me say in my personal opinion GLOBAL WARMING is the greatest hoax ever perpetuated on mankind.

Secondly, how can anybody tell me that GLOBAL WARMING should be taken seriously if Al Gore supports it. He would say the sky is falling if he could make money doing it. JMHO

JMHO you probably also think this GLOBAL financial crisis is also a great hoax and millions of people losing jobs worldwide is a way for Al Gore to make more money. At least Al Gore has a brain.

Open up your eyse and just see whats happening to our polar ice caps and read scientific journals about GLOBAL WARMING. Don't judge a factual situation because of dislike for one individual who happens to be at least trying to make a difference. As the post above mentions that there is no harm in taking precautionary measures whether it is factual, cyclical, man -made.

[NYCAP123]

Debate is the greatest impediment to action and is used as a tool for that purpose.

[AMG]

There are still different opinions though: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02...t_translation/

[NYCAP123]

Originally Posted by AMG

There are still different opinions though: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02...t_translation/

There always will be as long as there is a buck to be made by not caring to do the right thing. Sooner or later you just have to say enough talk and jam it onto them. If they don't like it too bad. Again, is there a down side (other than financial profit) to doing the right thing. Will it make the environmental situation worse to stop polluting? This thread has been going on for 12 pages, 179 posts. Has anybody changed their mind?

[AMG]

Originally Posted by NYCAP123

Has anybody changed their mind?

I don´t think anybody will change their mind in any direction without learning a lot more than what we are feeded with from newsmedia and politicians.

To learn a little more, here is a recent debate between two pretty well informed guys, William Schlesinger and John Christy, that could be worth an hour and fifteen minutes of your time:

http://www.johnlocke.org/lockerroom/....html?id=18946