[Pascal]

"I'm also unsure abt how the OP's local market is priced in comparison to SoFl, similar?"

Read his 2nd post, he is asking about FLL based boats

[RVN-BR]

Originally Posted by Pascal

"I'm also unsure abt how the OP's local market is priced in comparison to SoFl, similar?"

Read his 2nd post, he is asking about FLL based boats

ops, you are right, i saw CA in his profile location and was assuming that... i'd say the costs are pretty much as I said then, most probably north of what his expectations are... should review in order to prvent being "bitten" down the road...

[Capt J]

Originally Posted by RVN-BR

Regardless of how the ppl are arranged I think it will cost more than 80k to dock and maintain a boat that size... plus from what I understood on his posts about "hiring a captain instead of a mgmt company", etc, that would pretty much be a full time job for the captain... any takers for less than 50k?

It can be done for 50-80k a year providing it's not a high maintanence boat with a lot of varnish, teak, and etc. Dockage behind a house can be had for $12ft per month including water and electric. Even if you had to stay at a marina overnight to pick up guests and unload guests, they are responsible for all expenses during the charter.......Chances are the guests and owner are not going to want to sit on the boat for an entire week at the same marina anyways. Engine maintanence if they're detroits or cats will run 5k-10k a year with 12 weeks of normal usage. Exterior maintanence depending on the boat, but if it's Awlgrip...... a washdown every 2 weeks and that's it. Bottom paint and other running gear $5k a year. The Crew figure well that all depends on how many charters.....but he's including the crew cost for the charters into the charter price.......If you have a good yacht manager that knows engines/gens/electric/and plumbing, outside vendors will be kept to a minimum....

[RVN-BR]

An awlgrip job every 2 - 3 yrs on its own will be around 50k+! anyways, like I said, my experience is in a differente bracket of service so it sounds quite foreign to man an operation like this... and from the crew/capt salary threads that were going on the last few weeks i thought it was a trend that no one would work for the amnts mentioned here... nonetheless i seem to be neglecting the fact that you can have bare minimum crew/costs for a yacht... I wonder how the yacht upkeep will compare to a full service one in the longrun, but that is beyond the scope of this thread.

good luck to the OP and do let us know what you end up with!

[Capt J]

Originally Posted by RVN-BR

An awlgrip job every 2 - 3 yrs on its own will be around 50k+! anyways, like I said, my experience is in a differente bracket of service so it sounds quite foreign to man an operation like this... and from the crew/capt salary threads that were going on the last few weeks i thought it was a trend that no one would work for the amnts mentioned here... nonetheless i seem to be neglecting the fact that you can have bare minimum crew/costs for a yacht... I wonder how the yacht upkeep will compare to a full service one in the longrun, but that is beyond the scope of this thread.

good luck to the OP and do let us know what you end up with!

Awlgrip every 2-3 years??????? I get 10 good years out of awlgrip and can milk it for another 3 years.......

[RVN-BR]

Depending on color and under continuous use I've not been able to get above 5... Other threads incl the alexseal dicussion seem to say more or less the same?

2-3 was perhaps exagerating, maybe 3 - 5 would be fair...

Again, on a smaller boat, that goes out of the water some times, etc, that may well become double, but for "always in", always navigating, always being washed I havent seen it last nearly that much... I wish... it can sometimes be over 100k in a paintjob for a larger boat, and if we go superstructure too... whew hehehe..

[Capt J]

Originally Posted by RVN-BR

Depending on color and under continuous use I've not been able to get above 5... Other threads incl the alexseal dicussion seem to say more or less the same?

2-3 was perhaps exagerating, maybe 3 - 5 would be fair...

Again, on a smaller boat, that goes out of the water some times, etc, that may well become double, but for "always in", always navigating, always being washed I havent seen it last nearly that much... I wish... it can sometimes be over 100k in a paintjob for a larger boat, and if we go superstructure too... whew hehehe..

It is critical to use the Awl Wash soap on Awlgrip and not wax it. You should get a long service life out of it if you do that. You can even try the AwlCare sealant on it. But even 3-5 is a bit short even under constant use unless you're brushing up against concrete and docks with it......If you use a strong Ammonia based soap such as Orpine on Awlgrip, it will shorten it's luster life considerably.

[NYCAP123]

Never met an owner who redid the Awlgrip every 2 or 3 years. Were that the case I'd go with house paint. F/T captain is about $1,000/$1,200 per foot, but it all depends how often the boat is being used whether you need that on a 65. With the OP in Calif. and the boat in Florida it may only get used twice a year for a week or two each plus any charters. Quite frankly I'd be amazed at seeing a 65 chartered 6 to 8 wks in Ft. Lauderdale unless things have changed a lot since I was there, especially without the owner in town to build the business. I've seen a lot of boats planning to charter that ended up doing the X-mas boat parade and not much more, especially in that size. Remember, in Ft. Lauderdale they put 40 footers on top of their real boats. So you're talking about 2-4 weeks at $400 a day ( less if they don't cruise) plus maybe $1,000 a month stipend, dockage, a wash once a month and maintenance. I probably wouldn't keep the boat in Ft. Lauderdale though, at least not near the ICW, if you'll only use it once or twice as you could save a bundle just going a little north or south. The OP should also be aware that So. Florida is a lot like So. Calif. Lots of people with their hands out selling dreams that don't materialize.

[Pascal]

I ve seen 80s vintage Awlgriped hatts all nice and shinny after a little buffing...

And that s in south Florida sunshine !!!

If you dont get 15 years out of Awlgrip, you re doing something wrong!

[Capt J]

Originally Posted by Pascal

I ve seen 80s vintage Awlgriped hatts all nice and shinny after a little buffing...

And that s in south Florida sunshine !!!

If you dont get 15 years out of Awlgrip, you re doing something wrong!

I've seen mid 70's vintage Hatteras' with the origional Awlgrip too, but that was at Great Bridge, VA where they've lived underneath a covered storage shed their entire life.......15 years is pushing it with Awlgrip.......but 12-13 years is a reasonable life expectancy. Most of the yachts with Awlgrip that I've dealt with in that age had the primer showing through the paint in several places because there just wasn't any paint left.

[Pascal]

Well, a friend of mine has a 1980 58 just across from mine, no primer showing and after a good buffing last year the Awlgrip still has plenty of shine. And it's a so fl boat

I agree that 6 to 8 weeks of chartering is never going to happen. May be after a few years of solid marketing and with a good full time crew so brokers know they can sell a quality consistent products

We re doing pretty good with the 70 I run, but this is now our 4th season and it took some aggressive pricing and marketing. And again having a full time crew makes a difference

[RVN-BR]

I will investigate more... we did just respray part of our boat... it was initially fully painted around 06 or so... it is still shiny and all but the part in question was always getting lots of water action, and always being scrubbed often, and in direct sunlight due to our birth position. still, very much far from what has been said here... still, it is a touch up in our case, and one that we held off for a couple of seasons due to lack of time as we use the boat so much...