[Norseman]

One takes the demands from the owner and executes teh design as best one can.

Understood and duly noted.

So the yacht in the picture is a custom design to owner's spec?

BTW, the twin funnel design looks really good.

[Eric Sponberg]

My client is Moloka'i Strait Marine, so I create standard designs for them that they can then build on a semi-custom basis for their customers. All of the metal is set up for CNC cutting, so to order an new boat, they ask the metals vendor to feed the cutting tapes into the cutting machine, and they put the cut plate, put it on a truck, and ship it to the fabricator. Each boat is customized to the owner's wishes (yachts are built to order only) wherein we can change certain things in the accommodation (joinery, colors, finish materials, etc.) so long as we do not move any metal parts like bulkheads, frames, and girders. We stay within the metal envelope.

Thank you for your compliments on the MS 79.

Eric

[yachtbrokerguy]

Here is another of Eric's designs that is currently for sale in Fort Lauderdale.

[Jasra]

Originally Posted by K1W1

Hi,

Don't be surprised if the original poster who has been such a promoter of this obscure yacht to date is suddenly the one to have one for sale with a different user name and IP Addy ( Mods take note)

You are a sceptic! I have no axe to grind and wish I did own a cape horn. I have looked at many designs and have been in the boat business for more than 40 years. My post is my opinion and no more! I still think the hydraulic propulsion solution is the best and cape horn seem to be the only series build that utilised this equipment

[Jasra]

I have considered your design buy the yachts are too big for a older couple to operate on their own (the cape horn 65 is the largest I would consider practical) Also you don't use the hydraulic propulsion system which I consider to be the most flexible and quietest propulsion system (though not the cheapest to install). Plus the cost for a one off as opposed to a semi-series build puts your yacht beyond my budget. Having said all that your designs look like great little ships!

[Jasra]

Originally Posted by JWY

Kiwi: thanks for being sharp, per usual. Jasra: your profile says you're a ship broker. Only nice to disclose that. If you're listing one, it belongs under the Yachts For Sale category. And yes, you can still buy a Cape Horn, either a brokerage vessel or a new build. There were 5 Cape Horns built with Z-drives; the other dozen or so were not and were still great boats - it was not the Z-drive that made them great, that was only an enhancement and was optional. The combination of hull design, safety features, and commercial applications dressed up were all part of the builder's philosophy. Judy Waldman YACHT BROKER

Unlike you I am not a yacht broker and I am on this forum in my private capacity.

Yes my job means I am familiar with ships from VLCC to DSV. So please don't lecture me about cape horn safety until you have been through an oil major 14 day audit of a DSV! Cape Horns are NOT in production now! Cape Horns were NOT the safest recreational yachts built! They were good, but other boats have twin engine rooms. North Sea DPIII vessels MUST have independent engine rooms, generator rooms and even individual and separated switchboards, not to mention double hull. Grandma and suck eggs comes to mind!

Despite the sad scepticism evident on this site and having Molokai Strait yacht designs hijack the thread in a blatant commercial intervention which the the mods choose to ignore, let me say that the purpose of my post was to praise the azimuthing hydraulic drive the cape horns offered as an option, so that in addition to good safety and construction standards the drive system added a simple "get home" system by fitting hydraulic pumps to the gensets which would step up if the main engine went down. (A retractable hydraulic azimuthing bowthruster would have provided a great secondary “get home” solution). Also the main engine could be on soft mounts (also the gen sets) which reduces noise and vibration and allows the main engine to run at the optimum design speed. Manoeuvrability is achieved by adjusting flow through the hydraulic pump.

Does the community know of any other steel hull semi series build in the 55 to 65 foot range which offers this option and do you think the advantages are worth the initial cost?

[AMG]

Originally Posted by Jasra

...please don't lecture me about cape horn safety until you have been through an oil major 14 day audit of a DSV! Cape Horns are NOT in production now! Cape Horns were NOT the safest recreational yachts built!

Well, you wrote the headline of this thread? Maybe you would be interested to read this as well: http://www.yachtworld.com/jwyachts/jwyachts_8.html

I was in touch with Cape Horn during the construction of "Lords Warrior" and must say that I was worried about building such a top heavy boat, but it turned out to manage bad weather pretty well. The aft engine room was unusual and gave a lot of interior space, a nice liveaboard yacht.

But building steel trawlers is not rocket science and installing Thrustmaster drives can be done by any builder if you like.

[Jasra]

Originally Posted by AMG

Well, you wrote the headline of this thread? Maybe you would be interested to read this as well: http://www.yachtworld.com/jwyachts/jwyachts_8.html

I know all about JW Yachts and their relationship with cape horn. That doesn't make her the world's expert on safety to the extent that she can start lecturing others!

My point was to discuss the thrustmaster installation and obtain views from other owners. Unfortunately this seems to be a commercial forum wher eveyone is trying to make a buck! My first and last thread ! Have a nice day

[AMG]

Jasra, you were saying that Thrustmaster is the best drive system and asked for other trawler manufacturers, didn´t you? Eric gave you one. I said there are many builders that can build one for you, with or without Thrustmaster. What Judy said that could upset you I don´t know, but if you already have all the answers to your questions, have a nice day yourself.

[K1W1]

Hi,

JASRA- You might want to call your Wet Nurse and have her repair the rips in your nightie, maybe she can pick up the toys you have thrown out of the pram as well.

Your first post was a well worded and full promotional one for these Trawlers, your profile says you are a ship broker. I put two and two together.

You might want to read up a bit DP II also needs full redundancy.

Audits are what they are be they ISM or other ones they are all manageable by a well found well run vessel.

You might find a number of yachts advertised with DP Capability but you will not find many classed as DP to any level.

Diesel Electric will do the same as your hydraulic drive, have less chance of a spill causing pollution and every genset onboard can be output to the same task so you have a good level of redundancy built in especially if you match multiple smaller gensets to the load you will get the best efficiency out of your engine package.

There are more switchboards etc and there are cooling issues with Electric Drives but there are also Oil Cooling Issues with Hydraulics.

If you bother to read some of the info posted here by some of the members you will see that most are consumate professionals who tend to be polite to others most of the time.

Then again there are a few like you who come in and get wound up like a line around the prop over assumed slights. You might have trouble finding many of them though because for one reason or another they don't seem to hang around for too long.

If you want to come to this website and poo poo things people post in response to your thinly veiled sales pitch maybe you would get a better response at E Bay.

[Eric Sponberg]

I did not mean to "hijack" the thread. There is a lot more to the Cape Horn yachts than just a few models that were fitted with azimuthing thrusters. So my presentations were to show alternative yacht designs in the realm of metal motoryachts. That, I am sure, was also AMG's intent.

Azimuthing thrusters are not the be all and end all in powering systems. They have their places, and not all boats are equipped or capable of handling them. Also, by converting mechanical power to hydraulic power and then back to mechanical power again necessarily involves transmission losses, meaning losses in the conversion of power, as well as noise--hydraulic systems can be noisy. They may not necessarily be the most efficient use of power for any given motoryacht. So no, not everyone is in favor of azimuthing thrusters just for the sake of azimuthing thrusters. We know that they are available and can bring them to be included in a yacht design if the owners so desire. A thruster does not make or break a yacht design. That's all that really needs to be said about them.

Jasra, I am sorry you feel put out by the responses you received to your original posting. Certainly our intent was not to make you angry. Yacht Forums is meant to facilitate a free exchange of ideas amongst people of disparate backgrounds and interests for the betterment of everyone's knowledge. We hope you reconsider and elect to participate in this forum further. It does us all a lot of good to hear different people's ideas and opinions.

Regards,

Eric

[Capt. Bill11]

Originally Posted by Eric Sponberg

Yes, just before its world debut at the 2006 Ft. Lauderdale boat show, Hercules was in the yard for a few modifications, including adding some shape to the top of the bulb. These and other changes have been incorporated into the latest version of the design, now the Moloka'i Strait 79. See the pictures below.

>snip<


Eric

Thanks for the info Eric.

[travler]

an intresting thread having owned several trawler style yachts i think i will stick with my old fiberglass delta it has been from kodiak ak to so america and throught the panama canal to nova scotia and back to ak and back down the coast to mexico with minamal problems , i almost sold it a few years ago and after spending a lot of time and money traveling around the world i felt i still have as good of boat that has been built to date JUST MY THOUGHTS

TRAVLER

[NYCAP123]

Knew a fellow several years back that did much the same cruising with a Delta. He left one on a rock in Ak and I believe got another to continue on with life. Beautiful boat.

[K1W1]

Originally Posted by NYCAP123

Knew a fellow several years back that did much the same cruising with a Delta. He left one on a rock in Ak and I believe got another to continue on with life. Beautiful boat.

Hi,

NYCAP- Would that particular one have happenned to be named after an Animal?