[VikHatBer]

Admin Edit: This thread is a continuation from another discussion...

The pdf said "how to remove a $1,500,000 boat off a reef..." It's a Sea Ray, $1,500,000 on the show floor, worth 40% less when it's driven off, and another 10% less each year afterwards.

It was fun to watch that cheaply built boat get chomped up. People who buy those larger Sea Rays are usually idiots...doesn't surprise me.

[YachtForums]

Originally Posted by VikHatBer

People who buy those larger Sea Rays are usually idiots...doesn't surprise me.

Yes, and those people that own Vikings, Hatts and Berts are falsely opinionated buffoons? Tell you what... before making a blanket statement like that, you might consider the company you keep. I owned a 480 Sedan Bridge. Care to match wits?

[NYCAP123]

Originally Posted by VikHatBer

The pdf said "how to remove a $1,500,000 boat off a reef...

It was fun to watch that cheaply built boat get chomped up. People who buy those larger Sea Rays are usually idiots...doesn't surprise me.

Seems to me that people buy what suits their tastes and their budget and anyone who would call them idiots for it would have to be complete fool and extremely rude. Welcome to YF VikHatBer. Haven't missed you. Now of course the guys navigation skills are certainly in question.

[viking 58]

Originally Posted by VikHatBer

People who buy those larger Sea Rays are usually idiots...doesn't surprise me.

See below, it even happens to Vikings.

65' Viking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVNPIBKlJ2w

[bkcooper]

it seems to me that the research, consideration and ultimate purchase of a watercraft are integral and exciting steps along a path that is part of the passionate journey of pursuing a lifestyle on the water. i think that this website embodies that spirit and passion thereby fostering the lifestyle.

although i have read many educated and well-crafted recommendations regarding the selection and purchase of a boat, none has ever been mean spirited or insultive of the person asking the advice. and with regards to specific boat owners and the reason for their purchase, i have never seen a blatant attack of one's character because of their decision of ownership - until now!

to castigate someone for their choice of ownership is to impugn the journey and taint their dream, which i believe is contra to the purpose of this website.

[Capt J]

Originally Posted by bkcooper

it seems to me that the research, consideration and ultimate purchase of a watercraft are integral and exciting steps along a path that is part of the passionate journey of pursuing a lifestyle on the water. i think that this website embodies that spirit and passion thereby fostering the lifestyle.

although i have read many educated and well-crafted recommendations regarding the selection and purchase of a boat, none has ever been mean spirited or insultive of the person asking the advice. and with regards to specific boat owners and the reason for their purchase, i have never seen a blatant attack of one's character because of their decision of ownership - until now!

to castigate someone for their choice of ownership is to impugn the journey and taint their dream, which i believe is contra to the purpose of this website.

I agree with this entirely.

BUT, it doesn't sound like he is calling Searay owners idiots for buying or owning a Searay. He is saying most Searay owners are not knowledgable (which I definately in my time on the water find to be the case in general when it comes to an owners understanding of the navigation rules.)

[NYCAP123]

Originally Posted by Capt J

I agree with this entirely.

BUT, it doesn't sound like he is calling Searay owners idiots for buying or owning a Searay. He is saying most Searay owners are not knowledgable (which I definately in my time on the water find to be the case in general when it comes to an owners understanding of the navigation rules.)

You may have missed this:
"People who buy those larger Sea Rays are usually idiots...doesn't surprise me." As far as the generalizations are concerned, I passed every kind of boat going northbound through the ICW as I was coming down when the show broke up. Almost all were wide open through the idle & slow speed zones. None of them were Sea Rays. Although I didn't quiz them on the nav rules they obviously didn't know that they were responsible for damage caused by their wakes so I'd guess they may have missed other lessons too. Idiots come in every kind of boat although I've found the worst offenders are usually the go-fasts, but some of them know their stuff too.

[Capt J]

Originally Posted by NYCAP123

You may have missed this:
"People who buy those larger Sea Rays are usually idiots...doesn't surprise me." As far as the generalizations are concerned, I passed every kind of boat going northbound through the ICW as I was coming down when the show broke up. Almost all were wide open through the idle & slow speed zones. None of them were Sea Rays. Although I didn't quiz them on the nav rules they obviously didn't know that they were responsible for damage caused by their wakes so I'd guess they may have missed other lessons too. Idiots come in every kind of boat although I've found the worst offenders are usually the go-fasts, but some of them know their stuff too.

Yeah it is a generalization......Down here in South Florida it is typically the SeaRay owners.....I met one that bought a new 54' as his first boat and just started running it, with no instruction and never had a boat before......I have met a few Searay owners that are knowledgable as well......but the majority of traffic offenders in South Florida are the Searay owners...... it may be different elsewhere........

[Codger]

Doesn't matter if it's a Sea Ray, a lost canoe or Legacy. There's just something very sad about a boat sitting where it's not supposed to be, on sand or on rocks, just sad.

[Capt. Bill11]

Originally Posted by Capt J

Yeah it is a generalization......Down here in South Florida it is typically the SeaRay owners.....I met one that bought a new 54' as his first boat and just started running it, with no instruction and never had a boat before......I have met a few Searay owners that are knowledgable as well......but the majority of traffic offenders in South Florida are the Searay owners...... it may be different elsewhere........

While I don't agree all SeaRay owners are idiots. I do agree with Capt J on the above.

The ratio of boating edict/rules ignorance to SeaRay ownership my just be high due to the fact there are so many SeaRays sold.

But it does make you go um.

[YachtForums]

Originally Posted by Capt. Bill11

The ratio of boating edict/rules ignorance to SeaRay ownership my just be high due to the fact there are so many SeaRays sold.

... Bingo!

[NYCAP123]

To a large degree it is the number of boats. I've had first time boaters with a 51 Bertram, a 60' Sunseeker, and a 62 Fairline in recent years to name a few. None thought they needed to learn anything.

[Capt J]

Originally Posted by NYCAP123

To a large degree it is the number of boats. I've had first time boaters with a 51 Bertram, a 60' Sunseeker, and a 62 Fairline in recent years to name a few. None thought they needed to learn anything.

Have any learned where the nearest sand bar is? hehehehe

[NYCAP123]

sand bar...how boring. The real fun comes when they learn about the effect of wind and current while "parking".

[VikHatBer]

Originally Posted by YachtForums

Yes, and those people that own Vikings, Hatts and Berts are falsely opinionated buffoons? Tell you what... before making a blanket statement like that, you might consider the company you keep. I owned a 480 Sedan Bridge. Care to match wits?

Any time... I love Strong, sweet, Cuban rum and a good conversation... I would buy an older, used Viking, Hatteras, or Bertram long before I would ever consider looking at a Sea Ray. Scratch that, I would throw my Sperry's in the canal if a Sea Ray was my only option.


If you don't believe me about Sea Rays, just read what David Pascoe has to say about them... As for their owners, that's purely speculative...

http://www.yachtsurvey.com/boatrevie...boatreview.htm


I had to edit this. Anyone who can afford a "new" 55' Sea Ray or whatever, a large Sea Ray; if they just looked at the QUALITY (construction, sea worthiness, practicality) of used other boats ie a Viking, Hatteras, or Bertram for around the same price of a new Sea Ray, they might be swayed otherwise.

What is just so darn appealing about Sea Rays to new boaters?