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Old 06-07-2011, 06:39 PM   #16 (permalink)
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If I'd stretch my budget a little closer to USD 500M I'd be able to buy a 2005 or 2006 Ocean 46' ... and they look like a lot of boat for the money. I'm not all that thrilled about some of the 'details' and the interior IMHO looks strangely old fashioned for such a 'new' boat ... But again, probably it's a lot of boat for the money.

Would I be able to install a 2nd generator on that boat easily? (Most people do that down here for redundance when they take the boats on longer trips to the islands.)
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Old 06-07-2011, 07:40 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Regardless, I'd take an Ocean any day over a Riviera, Luhrs, Silverton, etc.
Ditto on what you said and the Luhrs & Silverton. I like the Rivieras so I wouldn't rule them out, but there are issues.
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Old 06-07-2011, 09:00 PM   #18 (permalink)
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In re-reading your post, If it is just you and your wife. (the Capt Has to go). Maybe a Tiara express would serve your purpose??

Carl, if I am not breaking rules , can we send him to yachtworld.com to look around?
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Old 06-08-2011, 07:17 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Tiara Open / Express / Sovran look like very nice boats ... but for now I think I'll stick with the Flybridge idea.

The Tiara 39 Convertible looks very nice and close to what I'm looking for. What can you tell me about it's ride? Seakeeeping? (Or any other aspect you particularly like or dislike ...)

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Old 06-08-2011, 10:42 AM   #20 (permalink)
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The Tiara 39 Convertible looks very nice and close to what I'm looking for. What can you tell me about it's ride? Seakeeeping? (Or any other aspect you particularly like or dislike ...)

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There is a newer 40 at our marina. Very solid well made production boat. Deep vee, probaly would handle like a Viking of similar size
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Old 06-08-2011, 02:45 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Under the heading of "you get what you pay for", Tiara builds a dang good, solid boat. The way I see production boats, there are premium-line boats, and then there are price-line boats. Tiara isn't built for price, they are a quality item. As a long time boater I think the quality difference between low-end and high-end has gotten closer. In this day, when lawsuits happen over quality issues, there aren't alot of "BAD" boats.
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Old 06-08-2011, 04:13 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Just a few comments on fuel capacity - at a 25 knot cruise you can probably expect to burn at least 50 gph (0.50 nmpg) for a loaded boat in this size range. For your 100nm crossing, that would be 200 gallons each way. Add about 0.75 gph for a typical 10kW genset, and you are looking at another 54 gallons for 72 hours (3 days) use. You are now up to 454 gallons without allowing for any extra adventures or alternate plans dictated by weather.

I like to conservatively use a 20% factor for reserve fuel, because the last 10% can be junk that will play havoc with your fuel filters, especially as you are coming home and running low on fuel. Adding 20% reserve from 600 gallons gives you a total of 574 gallons, leaving only 26 gallons for "messing" around, etc. I would reccommend that you keep the reserve just for the unknown emergencies, especially if the Islands are fairly isolated..........

I would be more comfortable with a 700 gallon fuel capacity, and you will be hard pressed to find an older sportfisher that carries this kind of fuel in your size range. Looks like a Cabo 43/Bertram 45 would fit the bill, or maybe an IPS/Zeus powered Express that has better fuel efficiency.

Although I have not cruised on a Silverton 45, it does have a Donald Blount hull design and should be a good performer, even in the rough stuff. I would take a Cabo 40 over a Tiara 39 any day, and an old school sleeper would be a Topaz 44.

Just my $0.02
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Old 06-08-2011, 05:58 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Go seatrial a 39 tiara and decide for yourself. Honestly one of the worst running boats I've ever been on, so bad that the first prototype was taken back to the factory, dismantled and thrown out. A year or so later Tiara re-released the boat with an improved hull design, I'd ridden both, IMO the new hull wasn't much better than the old one. Also, one of the worst selling boats that Tiara has ever built.
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@ PacBlue: Thanks for your illustrative comment. Makes me think a boat with a (very) big fuel tank and/or a model with an additional tank added would be an important asset. As a matter of fact ... if it wasn't for the price ... my 'dream boat' would be a new 43 Mikelson with Zeus drives and the extra fuel tank.

@ Shazam: Appreciate your comment. I think these 'real world' experiences make a forum like this so valuable!

@ NYCAP123: You seem to like Riviera's 'up to a certain extent'. I have a 2007 Riviera 40 on my short list. It comes with 743 fuel tanks and C-9 Cats with 450 hours. I like the big fuel tank and the Cats should be good engines to maintain down here. Do you agree? Any specific opinion on this model and/or year of production?

Thanks everybody for the comments. Keep them coming.

Cheers from 'downsouth'.
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Seatrials - Not easy to do

Unless a dealer has a brand new boat to sell, getting a seatrial is tough. Unless you have a signed agreement for purchase, but I don't want to do that just to trial a boat. I guess I could just charter 6 packs, looking for captains with boats like the ones I want to buy. There are so many interesting boats, though, so it will be tough to seatrial 'em all.
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Old 06-09-2011, 04:47 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Unless a dealer has a brand new boat to sell, getting a seatrial is tough. Unless you have a signed agreement for purchase, but I don't want to do that just to trial a boat. I guess I could just charter 6 packs, looking for captains with boats like the ones I want to buy. There are so many interesting boats, though, so it will be tough to seatrial 'em all.
That is SOP. Brokers and boat owners aren't in the business of giving boat rides. You chose the boat type, narrow the list down to a couple, and then negotiate "subject to sea trial and survey" with money down. IOWs it's a done deal when you take the ride unless there is a problem, and most problems are just negotiated into the contract. It seldom involves walking away from the deal.
Normally, you narrow down your search by asking questions at places like this. This is also the time to get with a cpatain to get you educated and keep your rose colored specs properly adjusted. When you've narrowed the field you can then find a similar boat to charter for a day. That's the hardest, and hopefully unnecessary part if you've done your homework. Then you locate the boats that fit your bill, look them over to narrow the field tighter, and then start negotiating (hopefully on 2 or 3), again "subject to sea trial and survey". Strike a deal on one, sign contracts, put down your money, take a ride and survey. You'll of course do better in your negotiations if you already have your financing in place. And of course, cash is king.
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Old 07-05-2011, 12:45 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Hey folks,
Haven't been in here for quite some time but, just noticed some chat on the Mikelson '43. I had one built in '05 and have never looked at anything else since. I'm a very happy owner.
The Tom Fexas hull tracks great, the build quality is way above avg, and a 39 Tiara could fit inside the Mikelson 43.They are headquartered in San Diego and are very popular out west. A few have found their way to the east coast. Tom Fexas built one for himself he kept in NY. I'm the only one on the Great Lakes.
With a full load (200 gal water, 600 fuel and provision for live-aboard) my avg cruise speed is 22kts at 2100 rpm. That's about 70% throttle on the 540 cummins. Fuel burn is 39 gph or 1.4- 1.5 miles per gal with a range of 400 miles. For long range cruising 1200 rpm gets me about 8 - 9 kts and a range of 1,000 miles. Given these numbers are in fresh water...the performance should be slightly better in more buoyant salt.
Lots more to say, but give them some serious consideration before you drop your $ on a production boat.

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Old 07-05-2011, 02:41 PM   #28 (permalink)
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...my avg cruise speed is 22kts at 2100 rpm. That's about 70% throttle on the 540 cummins. Fuel burn is 39 gph or 1.4- 1.5 miles per gal...
That's .56 miles per gallon... or... 1.77 gallons per mile.
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Old 07-06-2011, 08:46 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Ok. goofy math...ooops.
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