Retirement Dreams

Telemachus · 06-23-2012, 04:41 PM

Paul,

I looked at their website. They look well-made, but are too small for what I had in mind and they seem to be for a more rugged type of sailor.

Thank you for the recommendation, though.

Capt J · 06-23-2012, 08:58 PM

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As for Trinity, are they also not a large boat maker? Additionally, do they not work exclusively in aluminum hulls?

Yes, they do.

Do not count out Burger. They build a quality hull. However I think you're going a bit overboard worrying about hull material and a boat that will last centuries. Another option would be to take a commercial ship, such as an ice breaker, and convert it to a yacht. Sort of like the Bart Rodgers....

Telemachus · 06-23-2012, 11:34 PM

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Yes, they do.

Do not count out Burger. They build a quality hull. However I think you're going a bit overboard worrying about hull material and a boat that will last centuries. Another option would be to take a commercial ship, such as an ice breaker, and convert it to a yacht. Sort of like the Bart Rodgers....

Burger? I hope that this does not sound impertinent, but did I not read that they were laying off workers, that the consensus among some writers was they they were having difficulty remaining in business? I had read that at yachting-intelligence.

BTW, does anyone have a strong opinion about Oceanco or Proteskan & Turquoise? I find the P & T to have some strange layouts, but the engine room appears to be enormous.

Capt J · 06-24-2012, 01:37 AM

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Burger? I hope that this does not sound impertinent, but did I not read that they were laying off workers, that the consensus among some writers was they they were having difficulty remaining in business? I had read that at yachting-intelligence.

BTW, does anyone have a strong opinion about Oceanco or Proteskan & Turquoise? I find the P & T to have some strange layouts, but the engine room appears to be enormous.

I don't know, look up Yogi.

Telemachus · 06-24-2012, 01:37 PM

So, what you're telling me, Capt. J, is that I might get a good discount once they salvage her?

Seriously, I did read a couple of articles about the sinking and it seems more like crew error than the boat. The exhaust had some sort of redundancy that was supposed to keep water out and one genset was still running, as evidenced by the fact that they had power. It also had three bilge pumps, which was one more than required by code.

Upon reflection, I was going to discount them anyway, simply due to the fact that they don't seem to have much of a reputation of any kind, which makes me nervous.

Milow232 · 06-24-2012, 02:48 PM

I am far away from being expierinced/ a expert in this buisness but I would recommend you to charter yachts from different yards, so you check out the quality and what kind of yacht/yard suits to you...

Telemachus · 06-24-2012, 03:08 PM

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I am far away from being expierinced/ a expert in this buisness but I would recommend you to charter yachts from different yards, so you check out the quality and what kind of yacht/yard suits to you...

You are absolutely right--that's what I intend to do. However, there are so many makers, I have to narrow them down to a "short list" as it were. I don't have the time to spend a year chartering yachts (although it would be immensely enjoyable), getting a feel for dozens of makers. Therefore, I am trying to learn as much as possible at this point so that I am able to make informed decisions in the process of narrowing the list.

AMG · 06-24-2012, 03:22 PM

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You are absolutely right--that's what I intend to do. However, there are so many makers, I have to narrow them down to a "short list" as it were. I don't have the time to spend a year chartering yachts (although it would be immensely enjoyable), getting a feel for dozens of makers. Therefore, I am trying to learn as much as possible at this point so that I am able to make informed decisions in the process of narrowing the list.

Tell me what make is your private jet and I can tell you what shipyard you should go to...

Milow232 · 06-24-2012, 03:24 PM

Mhm... another idea would be that you make short list with yachts you like in terms of design and features, to clearify in which direction it goes...

But how about contacting K1W1, he is a much respected Member and was involved in buliding yachts all over the world as far as I know. I am shure he is the best person to talk with...And of course Lars, he is an excellent designer and a big help.

Telemachus · 06-24-2012, 03:31 PM

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Tell me what make is your private jet and I can tell you what shipyard you should go to...

I don't recall saying that I had one--nor do I. I imagine it is some question of my sincerity, which I guess is understandable. As I stated in one of my earliest posts, I don't yet have the means to acquire the vessel I want; I believe that I stated that I was acquiring information due to the fact that I wanted to have as much information as possible so that I may fashion a realistic goal. I want to have a tangible set of parameters.

If I have somehow offended you or have given you cause to doubt my sincerity or what have you, I do apologize. However, I believe I have been transparent in stating my actions and motivations.

AMG · 06-24-2012, 04:03 PM

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I don't recall saying that I had one--nor do I. I imagine it is some question of my sincerity, which I guess is understandable. As I stated in one of my earliest posts, I don't yet have the means to acquire the vessel I want; I believe that I stated that I was acquiring information due to the fact that I wanted to have as much information as possible so that I may fashion a realistic goal. I want to have a tangible set of parameters.

If I have somehow offended you or have given you cause to doubt my sincerity or what have you, I do apologize. However, I believe I have been transparent in stating my actions and motivations.

As I have spent some time as a yacht broker, I know that most people building yachts in the 60-70 Million range have private jets and use to fly in to the shipyard many times during construction.

With a G5 or bigger it is no big deal to go to Lürssen or A&R from Chicago, but with a smaller or no plane it may be better to build in the US..?

K1W1 · 06-24-2012, 04:12 PM

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It also had three bilge pumps, which was one more than required by code.

Hi,

You might want to take that statement with a rain of salt.

Rules ask for a dedicated Fire and a dedicated bilge pump(they can also be dual purpose) with a emergency backup that can be dual purpose (fire/bilge) mounted outside the Machinery Space and fed by the Emergency Power source.

What might be seen in the video could well be the Emergency Bilge pump doing it's best driven by the air cooled emergency genset but with the vessel on such a heel the bilge suction in the engine room could well be sucking air hence the relatively weak output of water seen in the video.

I have no inside info as to the accuracy of my thoughts, it is just something that occurred to me after reading the material published so far.

Telemachus · 06-24-2012, 07:57 PM

To AMG:

Thank you for your insight; I think that due to the means that I'll likely have (if everything goes according to plan), you're absolutely correct. Shiftless creative types like myself need need a dose of practicality.

To K1W1:

That's an impressive bit of forensics. Oddly enough, just prior to the sinking, I had looked at the P & T website and I found it odd that the engines were closed off in a separate room and that the rest of the layout was peculiar.