[K1W1]

Originally Posted by Seafarer

No, but at 757 cubic meters of fuel oil, ~200k gallons, i wouldn't want to fill it up at my local fuel dock... at $5.09/gallon that's over a million bucks just in fuel to run her for a week or two!

Hi,

The only price I can find for Fuel ex Gib without asking for a quote ( have to reveal a lot of vessel info for this) is.

Top Grade suitable for High Speed Diesels Gensets etc.

Marine Gas Oil $1362 per Cu M or $1.19 a Litre x 3.786 = $4.50 a gallon.

$900,830 to fill up from scratch.

A Slightly Lesser Grade

Marine Diesel Oil $ 1339.5 per Cu M or $ 1.17 a Litre x 3.786 $4.40 a gallon.

$885,690 to fill up from scratch.

There are other lesser grades ( cheaper) of fuel oil that the main engines may well be able to run on but these would not be suitable if the use of any sort of particulate filter was being made in the Exhaust Lines especially of the Gensets.

I doubt any yacht even as large as this would have separate fuel for M.E and Gensets. I will try to find out what she does burn.

The pricing info came off http://www.bunkerworld.com

[NYCAP123]

I could be wrong, but I'm guessing that this ship won't be using a lesser grade anything to save 2%

[K1W1]

Hi,

Like you Cap I don't think they will be using anything but the best fuels and lubes.

I am also surprised that the Owners Family name appears in that PDF Article posted above.

[NYCAP123]

Way surprised, but not. This boat is "A" not "Incognito" .

[PEB]

Originally Posted by NYCAP123

Amazed by the amount of info that was put out. Although the name is out there I won't repeat it here, but just want to say congratulations. She's my new screen saver.
So let me ask the crass question. Anybody know the rough cost?

Given the cost of Yachts that have lengths in the 400 foot range or about 120 meters I would put the ball park figure for this Yacht at around 250 million dollars US or about 160 million Euros likely even more. They estimate the cost of keeping a Yacht in operation as well as crew to be about 10 percent of the cost of the Yacht so it is likely costing around 25 million dollars or 16 million Euros each year to keep the Yacht afloat and moving.

One of the benefits of this design is that fuel use will be reduced by quite a bit it seems. Because of the ax bow design the ship will not use as much fuel to cover the same amount of distance.

[NYCAP123]

Welcome aboard PEB,
Yeah, that would be about my guestimate as well. BTW anyone out there with actual figures DON'T POST THEM. This is just idle speculation. Actual costs are really nobody's business unless you're planning to build something similar and in that case adopt me first please .
One thing that did surprise me was the speed. I would have expected to see maybe 4 or 5 kts. more at cruise & top, not for any technical reason but simply because of how radical this whole project was.
In the old days my favorite yacht was Eco (now Enigma) now A has captured my imagination. Guess my taste just run that way. Congratulations again to the owners and thanks for my new screen saver.

[K1W1]

Originally Posted by PEB

Given the cost of Yachts that have lengths in the 400 foot range or about 120 meters I would put the ball park figure for this Yacht at around 250 million dollars US or about 160 million Euros likely even more. They estimate the cost of keeping a Yacht in operation as well as crew to be about 10 percent of the cost of the Yacht so it is likely costing around 25 million dollars or 16 million Euros each year to keep the Yacht afloat and moving.

One of the benefits of this design is that fuel use will be reduced by quite a bit it seems. Because of the ax bow design the ship will not use as much fuel to cover the same amount of distance.

Hi,

You would need to add about 20-25% to that price estimate or more mostly depending upon the style and type of interior.

It looks like the Marine Engineering of her has been very much along commercial ship lines given the choice of power plant and electrical system specs so some costs can be reduced there a bit.

[YachtNews]

NYCAP, good afternoon to you. You expected to see a 30 knot speed for "A"? She is not a warship even though certain esteemed members of YF would contend so.

[foundrycourt]

Originally Posted by K1W1

Hi,

Like you Cap I don't think they will be using anything but the best fuels and lubes.

I am also surprised that the Owners Family name appears in that PDF Article posted above.

In a UK mag this month there is an external review on A where the owners are mentioned. The PDF doc looks very much like it was taken from that.

[PEB]

Originally Posted by NYCAP123

Welcome aboard PEB,
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Thank you if you have a chance if you have not already check out the video of
Wave Piercing Tumblehome Hull. It is very interesting because it does a good job of showing the ax bow in use and how the ship is helped by the use of the ax bow and the advance hull design. One of the most interesting applications because of this design leaves a much smaller wake is allows water crafts to enter the boat from the back


http://www.raytheon.com/broadcast/hull_form.asx

[NYCAP123]

YN,
23-25kt cruise would seem reasonable (as long as I'm not paying for it). Also, could she be constricted into military service at some future date? Maybe making her less attractive for that is why the owners opted for a 19.5kt cruise.

[PEB]

I do not know if this can be applied to create a synthetic diesel fuel but I saw this in the news and I just found a news story about it. Apparently someone has created a process of extracting a replacement for jet fuel and other fuel types using coal. It seems they are working on a process that would reduce or eliminate the carbons causing the problems in the fuel. They said it has not been cost effect but because of the price of fuel going so high it nows makes much more sense to use it.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen....climatechange

[brunick]

i don't know if you know, but coal is at least as bad for the climate as gas/diesel is..

coal is even worse i think, because you have to carry a lot more for the same amount that fuel does...

but for real: i think it's time for the first oxygen powered yacht...

[revdcs]

Originally Posted by brunick

but for real: i think it's time for the first oxygen powered yacht...

Or Hydrogen ?

[PEB]

Originally Posted by brunick

i don't know if you know, but coal is at least as bad for the climate as gas/diesel is..

coal is even worse i think, because you have to carry a lot more for the same amount that fuel does...

but for real: i think it's time for the first oxygen powered yacht...

Yes I am familiar with the problems with coal as far as CO2 goes I have seen research being done with Dominion a large electrical provider in the US. Near Quincy MA they are building a new manufacturing faculty that will process coal-to-liquid (C-T-L) while removing the offending pollutants from the coal.

An MIT group is being very tight lip about their work but I have heard anything from bacteria to using some type of reaction to reduce the amount of pollutants in the fuels. One of the people backing the work is a Nobel Prize winning environmentalist.

This is an article that takes about the problems with coal but I am still looking for any information about the work being done in Quincy. It was big news last year but still looking.

http://www.roanoke.com/editorials/wb/166819

But far bigger news that is a first and could lead to large scale production if the next President shows some interest is gas from carbon dioxide. That is right from carbon dioxide nether of these technologies are far off crazy ideas they both are being done today in very small scale but the US Gov. has to step up and put large scale efforts in to begin the financing of these important technologies and this will put an end of sky rocketing prices of oil.

http://www.technologyreview.com/read...&id=1 8582&a=