[NYCAP123]

Most of this is obvious from the photos except the extent the rest of the hull is affected.

Would anybody be dumb enough to trust one inch of this boat after this? I can't think of anybody who would trust Bertram or any Ferretti vessel after seeing this. They should have already been in the yard with a big check and chainsaws. Thank god they don't make planes.

[apex1]

Originally Posted by CODOG

Ah, the heady days of oak timbers and iroko planking. I used to love the smell of wood shavings in the morning. Hand made mahogany toolbox full of 50 year old tools stowed in the Great Shed, sneaking a warm half hour in the steam shed, hammering in a million six inch cut nails with a maul that weighed as much as my girlfriend. The ring of an adze, the shoosh of a block plane. No plywood anywhere except the pub bar.
Ok, I'll stop now.

Nahhh go on! I like the same stuff Look here:
http://www.boatdesign.net/gallery/sh...0/ppuser/11121

None of them will delam ever!
Regards
Richard

[apex1]

Originally Posted by Capt J

NOW, a cold molded sportfish on the other hand is a great hull....... speed/ lightweight, strength, and not nearly as maintanence heavy as wood.

Cold moulded IS wood anyway.

Regards
Richard

[Bamboo]

Originally Posted by bertram09

Based on the information presently available and evaluations made to date by Bertram, the situation with the 630 is an isolated problem unique to that particular boat and does not represent a systemic problem in design or construction present on other 630 hulls.

Jiannina Castro
Marketing & Communications
Bertram Yacht

I do not own a Bertram, nor do I have an financial interest in Bertram or it's business activities. However I see no reason to doubt Jiannina's statement at this time, and the call for buying from "smaller builders" has no real merit IMHO. I was just hauled out and visited with the capt/crew of "500 Hundred" supposed hull #1 of the 67's (who were next to me). They were quite happy with Bertram and the boat.

[SandEngXp]

The frustrating thing is that this type of construction is not new. ( The Z65 is +/- 20 years old ) It is difficult for those of us in the business and devout hobbyist to understand how 'experienced' people can have this happen. Sometimes when pioneering you land 'face down in the prairie with arrows in you back', but that anecdote does not apply here. I hope that it is only a '1 boat' issue - not only for Bertram/Feretti but for the rest of us that have to explain this type of event to our customers.

[NYCAP123]

the rest of us that have to explain this type of event to our customers.

Explaining it to potential customers is easy: A) The company jumped on it, got him into a new boat right away and sent him to Cabo for a week as an appology or B) stammer-stammer-stutter-stutter-uh-uh, weeeell.

[Capt J]

Originally Posted by NYCAP123

Explaining it to potential customers is easy: A) The company jumped on it, got him into a new boat right away and sent him to Cabo for a week as an appology or B) stammer-stammer-stutter-stutter-uh-uh, weeeell.

I agree, all companies in the marine business have a serious issue like this from time to time. It is not a perfect world and anything can happen such as this. The major thing is HOW THEY HANDLE THE SITUATION, that is the deciding factor and how well they take care of the owner tells how the company is. If an owner in a situation like this gets lawyers involved, it is not going to be pretty for the company. The company should have offered the owner a brand new boat, right off the bat and destroyed this one as I can see no way that anyone knowing what happened to it, would ever buy it after it's been fixed.

[Loren Schweizer]

Originally Posted by NYCAP123

Explaining it to potential customers is easy: A) The company jumped on it, got him into a new boat right away and sent him to Cabo for a week as an appology or B) stammer-stammer-stutter-stutter-uh-uh, weeeell.

You forgot C): Brand V Yachts sees an opportunity and lends the guy a boat to fish a tournament and, if the spies are correct, have convinced him to buy a Brand V SF.

And, to the poster who claimed that the interiors of the 54 came from Italy, the 70 EB that I reviewed last spring (and one might assume that certain economies of scale could be had by building the rest of the line accordingly) had it's interior constructed by Richardson's out of Ohio.

[Drew Holm]

My guess as to the cause would be contaminate on the gel surface prior to skinning the hull. Glass shops are dirty, even the best ones. If the gel cured before they glassed the skin on, then you can garuntee glass and wood dust settled on the chine and strakes, after that it took just one air buble not rolled out in the skin coat and water pressure did the rest. After having built boats for Brunswick for nearly 25 years. Ive seen the same thing a few times. Occasionally a builder gels the hull on friday and skins it on monday to help meet schedules. eventually it will bite em in the backside.
Pardon the speeling errors.

[NYCAP123]

Welcome to the Forum Drew. The speelchuck w/ the ABC & CK in the upper right will handle the speeling for you.

[big syd]

I have read and heard a lot of commentary and speculation about my Bertram 63 –“Certifiable”. While this certainly was a very unfortunate event, at no time was my safety or my crews’ safety at risk. I could not have been any more pleased with the professional manner and speed that Bertram addressed the matter. They stepped up immediately and resolved the matter to my complete satisfaction. I have owned several Bertram’s over the years and I will continue to remain a member of the Bertram family of proud owners. I know that Bertram is not the first boat manufacturer to experience such an occurrence nor will they be the last. However, in my eyes the most important factor is how the matter is addressed with the customer. My faith and trust in Bertram continues and has been further reinforced as a result of this.


Big Syd

[YachtForums]

Originally Posted by big syd

I could not have been any more pleased with the professional manner and speed that Bertram addressed the matter. They stepped up immediately and resolved the matter to my complete satisfaction.

Hi Syd and welcome to YF,

Your post has been merged with the existing thread. We are all glad to hear that Bertram stepped up and has addressed the situation to your satisfaction. No doubt, this was an important matter in the court of consumer confidence.

[YachtNews]

Welcome to YF Syd, glad to hear you were taken care of in an expeditious manner.

[Loren Schweizer]

Kudos to Big Syd.

Instead of silence, or a grudging acknowlegement of a fix, he has penned an awfully nice response on how well Bertram Yacht has addressed the matter. Not only was he apparently made whole, as Legalman sometimes calls it, but he was treated as we all would like to be.

Being a proud owner of previous Bertrams and counting himself as a continuing proud member of the Bertram family is a fairly strong endorsement of any builder by an experienced yachtsman.

Take a bow, Big Syd.
Good for you, Bertram Yacht.

The largish readership of Yacht Forums should certainly help to preclude any (all too-common) uninformed BS typically heard on the docks. As this is actually good news, it may not even be newsworthy.

Boats break. Stuff happens. A quick fix and a happy owner should tell you a lot about serious boatbuilders who plan on being around for a long, long time.

[NYCAP123]

That is just SO good to hear. Hats off to Bertram that in these hard times they stepped up to the plate and did exactly the right thing. Welcome to the Forum Big Syd and hats off to you for promptly reporting this. Too often people are fast with complaints, but slow with their compliments. May you and Bertram have many years of safe & fun cruising together.