unknown Abeking & Rasmussen Yacht

spongebob · 04-18-2009, 06:29 PM

I have a Abeking & Rasmussen sloop built in 1935 by Henry Rasmussen and was used by German Navy during second world war. It was taken as a prize of war by Britian and presented to Canadian Navy who used it for races and eventually was sold thru war assets. How would I find out which particular boat it was as it had no hull number as it was built before they put them on the hull.

AMG · 04-18-2009, 06:45 PM

You don´t know the original name? Or type of boat? The most famous from 1935 is the 8m R-yacht Germania III built for Krupp.

EDIT, I saw in your profile the name Amsel which is a 50 sqm boat with build nr 2930.

spongebob · 04-18-2009, 11:44 PM

I know the type of boat. It is 50 qm Seefahrtkreuzer. I know when the Canadian Navy had it they re-named it "Tuna". I do not know the original name. Any idea how I can trace this?

K1W1 · 04-19-2009, 12:50 AM

Hi,

How can you say exactly what it's year of build is?

Does it have any materials on it that bear any manufacturers name and serial no from that era?

Is there any particular physical characteristic about it that would make it stand out against other 50 qm cruisers which could be used to identify it?

AMG · 04-19-2009, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by spongebob

I know the type of boat. It is 50 qm Seefahrtkreuzer. I know when the Canadian Navy had it they re-named it "Tuna". I do not know the original name. Any idea how I can trace this?

There was a 50 sqm boat named Amsel built in 1935 as I said above. She has a sistership from 1936, built for the same organisation with some information here: http://naldera.com/html/description.html

spongebob · 04-19-2009, 09:41 AM

I can say it was built in 1935 only because of in Canada what is called "Blue Book" and this contains all the particulars of a particular vessel and registers it and according to the blue book dated 1979 the official number is 392649 and under date of previous registry it says formally German built and documented vessel, being built in 1935 in Bremen, Germany. At the top of the certificate of registry it says "Authority granted by Transport Order No. 171, in 1964 dated August 17, 1964 to register this vessel without production of the Builder's Certificate - the Bill of Sale from Crown Assets Disposal Corporation being accepted as the foundation document." The person I bought the vessel from had the original Bill Of Sale with the ship name being "Tuna" and overall length being 40 feet 6 inches, which is longer than the 50 sq. meter and that at the time he had to pick a registry name as Tuna was the Royal Canadian Navy name and he picked Amsel as a personal choice. Would anyone know where the "Germania III" went? It was an eight meter R-Yacht built for Krupp V. Bohlen, Essen. The vessel I have was a prize of war, I suspect it may be this one.
I also have a set of plans or profiles for 50 sq. meter vessel built at the time by Abeking & Rasmussen and that it doesnt' seem to fit the vessel I have. Plans are fpr 50 sq meter Seefahrtkreuzer, Bau Nt. 2907

AMG · 04-19-2009, 10:36 AM

What about my answers in post #2 and #5? Is your boat not Amsel and does it not look like the other one..?

spongebob · 04-19-2009, 10:41 AM

I don't know that it is "Amsel" so much history lost between transactions. Looking at the website you provided I know it is not the sister ship.

AMG · 04-19-2009, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by spongebob

I don't know that it is "Amsel" so much history lost between transactions. Looking at the website you provided I know it is not the sister ship.

OK, do you by any chance have a picture of your boat? Is it closer to 50 feet like Germania III (picture) or how long is she?

I have now found out that Germania (III) is back in Kiel, rebuilt as shown in this picture: http://www.yachtbild.de/bild_arch/images/CY28-115.jpg

spongebob · 04-19-2009, 12:44 PM

I have pictures but I'm having trouble attaching them. How do I attach? Overall length is 12.45 meters and from the fore part of the stem to the rudder stock is 34 feet and 2/10

AMG · 04-19-2009, 12:51 PM

At 12.45 m she is shorter than Naldera at 12.60 m. To post a picture you should preferable have a JPG less than 640 pixels wide and follow the instructions in the "Manage Attachments" window which appears below the text field.

spongebob · 04-19-2009, 01:20 PM

Thanks for your help - pictures are attached

AMG · 04-19-2009, 02:06 PM

To me she look very much the same as Naldera. Why do you think she was named Amsel if it isn´t the original Amsel?

spongebob · 04-19-2009, 04:21 PM

When she was bought by a private citizen from the Canadian Navy he had to pick a name from the registry for that year and as a personal preference he picked Amsel.

AMG · 04-19-2009, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by spongebob

When she was bought by a private citizen from the Canadian Navy he had to pick a name from the registry for that year and as a personal preference he picked Amsel.

How do you expect to learn more about your boat without telling what you already know? There was eight boats of this series built in 1935. All seems to have been training boats for militaries and all could have been "prizes of war". In all, 34 of them were built.

BTW, did you check the links provided at the Naldera site? Some 50 sqm to read about; http://www.takel-ing.com and http://www.fky.org/yachten+segler.htm

Here is an interesting link from the above pages: http://seascamp.co.uk/history.htm

And a little movie on a sistership that is now in Poland: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZT4i...layer_embedded